These are 2 different sets of Class Rules.
If you race PHRF, you race under PHRF Class Rules which assumes all that stuff is onboard. Of course, you can also have 12 crew & 20 sails onboard including that blooper.
If you race in one of our 30/30 Fleet races, then all this stuff is allowed. However, only 8 crew, 4 headsails, 1 main, 3 kites (just changed up from 2) but no bloopers.
However, I do see your point but don't have an answer. If you race PHRF, you should follow those class rules. If you race One Design, you should follow those class rules. Unless you really push it by stiffening, keel or rudder changes, you should be okay for the type of weekend racing we do but that is only my opinion. You could always go to PHRF for a ruling if it really becomes an issue which I doubt would happen. I would definitely let PHRF know if you change the engine, mast, keel or rudder even if it is to one of the standard factory ones. Should be a zero hit on the rating if the latter but you gotta let them know.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Steve Hutchinson wrote:
> Question:
>
> How does SoCal PHRF view the removal of the equipment allowed under article
> 3 of the class rules? According to Northern California PHRF, the removal of
> the head door, V berth, table, and subbing 50lbs for the oven violates PHRF.
> They haven't quantified these 'violations' with a rating hit, but it sounds
> like they might.
>
> I don't see a 30/30 vs. a 30/30 one-design rating in the SoCal PHRF numbers,
> so do they view the removal of all this crap as legal?
>
> Does SoCal PHRF have this type of language in its guidelines?
>
> The Base Rating assumes that yachts:
> A. Are in optimum racing trim with all normal equipment on board;.....
> B. Are not 'stripped out.' The intent of this rule is that the boat be
> sailed with all the equipment on board that she had when the committee
> assigned the handicap. This means that all the doors, drawers; tables and
> systems are in place. If it is a production boat, all the items that are
> considered stock by the builder are still on board. If it is a custom boat,
> it should be as the drawings and photographs presented to the committee. If
> a rating certificate (IOR, IMS or MORC) was presented to help assess the
> boat's speed potential, she should have everything on board that was present
> at the measurement. If items have been removed, depending on the weight
> involved, the committee may adjust the PHRF handicap of the boat. An
> exception to the above stated guideline is that cushions may be removed.
>
> Do the class rules consider that this was intended by the facotry to
> be removable?
>
> My Email and Reply:
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> I have been approached by a member of my fleet, (SF BAY 30s) and good
> natruredly ribbed about my boat being 'illegal', although I don't think I
> would be protested for the perceived infringements, I don't like the idea of
> being thought of as campaigning a 'cheater' boat.
>
> My boat is a Santana 30/30 (PC) with an advertised (rated?) displacement of
> 6,500 lbs. It has been weighed in at over 7,500 on Svendsens' scale (with
> minimal gear on board).
>
> In an effort to make the boat more workable and of course lighter (knowing
> that she is quite overweight), I have removed the head door and replaced it
> with a removable curtain, (partially as a safety measure), removed the
> V-berth (for sail stoage), and removed the old wobbly dinette table.
> Additionally I have removed the stove/oven combo and placed 50 lbs. of sand
> ballast in it's place (it tended to unlock the gimball lock and swing wildly
> attempting to amputate the legs of anyone nearby).
>
> According to the Santana 30/30 class rules all these modifications are
> legal: www.santana3030.org/classrules.html
>
> 3. Interior Equipment: Interior equipment supplied with the boat from the
> factory shall remain in place as designed and may not be removed or
> relocated except that in the Performance Cruiser where the V berth, table
> and head door may be removed. All boats shall have a marine stove on board
> or carry 50 pounds of ballast in it approximate location.
> The boats are sailed for the most part in this configuration in SoCal rating
> 123. In SF she rates 126. Like most other boats, it seems to gain time going
> north...
> My question is this; would the SF PHRF committee consider the removal of a
> total of less than 100 lbs. of gear from a 7000 lb. boat (1.4%) an egregious
> enough violation of the rules to take time from my rating? If so I will
> reluctantly replace the stuff, however being class legal I would think that
> if the class sees the removal of this gear acceptable, I wouldn't think the
> SF PHRF number should be changed based on the class' experiance and
> knowledge of the boats.
> REPLY:
> Steve--Are we to assume this is official notification that your Santanna
> 30-30-PC is now a modified Boat? Your class rules do not completly apply
> except when racing class one design unless you have your class rules on
> file with the YRA and the boat has an ODR rating. Without this the NCPHRF
> rules and guidelines apply in Handicap Divisions. Suggest you read them,
> particularly relative to removal of equipment and furniture in Production
> boats.
> As a matter of general interest Lightweight boat builders all seem to lie
> about how light their boats are and builders of cruiser type pure
> displacement boats err on the heavy side--just seems to be the way it is
> and we recognize this in our deliberations.
>
> BTW you are wrong about ratings on SF bay being all higher than So-Cal
> for example the Cal-230, Catalina-30 and Newport-30 and others all rate
> faster on SF Bay--as they should where they are at their best in brisk
> winds.
>
> Regards Dave Few
>
> PS At this point this is not a committee reply only that of an individual
> member with time to reply.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Steve
> Tortuga
>
Received on Thu Nov 15 15:00:32 2001